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Accommodating a more powerful engine, increased armament, new radios, and armour plate within the Bf-109G’s tiny airframe was a major challenge. The ‘quantum leap’ in performance that the Spitfire IX achieved over the Bf-109G was never reversed. This was chiefly because its Rolls Royce Merlin engine had a higher critical altitude (the altitude at which the supercharger is operating at full capacity, and beyond which engine power rapidly decreases) than the Messerschmitt’s Daimler-Benz DB 601. The book will be a stunning object: an essential addition to the library of anyone with even a passing interest in the high-flying world of warplanes, and featuring first-rate photography and a wealth of new world-class illustrations. The solution arrived in the form of Seafury after the war. Eric Brown, a Royal Navy test pilot who evaluated a captured Bf-109G, commented that “in a dive at 400 mph, the controls felt as though they had seized!” The addition of a water-methanol tank—whose contents were injected into the engine to provide a short burst of additional power—adversely affected the centre-of-gravity and made handing unpredictable in some portions of the flight envelope. It was also asserted that this was an interim requirement. oops I meant Spiteful. The lack of range proved to be a major constraint in the second instance. During the latter part of the war, Spain had secured license production rights of the Bf 109G from Germany, but they too found that the DB 605 where not available. Airfix Dogfight Spitfire MkIa vs Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 1:72 Model Planes A50135. I’m sure you will find appropriate sites for hating others views as well. Report. ( Log Out /  This narrative makes no attempt at being a full and detailed history of the Spitfire I or Messerschmitt BF 109E, rather its intent is to examine in detail, with emphasis placed on the use of primary source archival material supported by personal accounts, the performance aspects of these aircraft that most books only briefly – and frequently incorrectly - mention. The British/Australians flew comparisons between a captured and rebuilt Model 32 ‘Hap’ in late 1943. 7:59. Speed counts, which is why the crisp early-mark Bf 109’s and Spitfires were replaced by heavier late-mark versions. The Kurfürst was far from the finest, with most pilots (and historians) usually ranking the Friedrich as the most well-balanced of the lot. The result was that quite often, even experienced pilots ended up collapsing the undercarriage. Beim Spitfire scheune Test konnte der Sieger in so gut wie allen Faktoren abräumen. That’s what its design speed was, but its actual capability was limited to 400 because the airframe went solid at 400. For their homebuilt HA-1109 they therefore used French-made Hispano-Suiza 12Z, but soon a need for more power (and less torque) was evident. See more ideas about Messerschmitt, Wwii aircraft, World war ii. 19 Squadron at Duxford in August 1938 while 18 more squadrons were equipped with Spitfires by the start of the Battle of Britain in July 1940. : Vom Prototyp bis zur Bf 109 K Revell REV-03958 10 … Just how it was. The Bf 109 would require cannon armament to damage metal airframes. Try the NSFW 10 best looking American airplanes, or the same but for Canadians. The company faced major schedule slippages in delivering the initial batch of 310 fighters, and the RAF at one point considered cancelling the order outright. The Spit wasn’t faultless in this respect either, but the 109 was a real killer. Condition: New. IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 The Bf 109’s simplicity and light weight, however, proved to be its Achilles heel. IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 You have dug up a 2½ year old post, and now posted fifteen comments on that one, trying to prove a point that remains somewhat unclear to me. No Spit 9 was too slow, they had to move on, but it’s replacement, the Griffon was not good in handling. The lack of resources and the need for more weapons for the German forces prevented any major upgrade for the 109 instead more were built to meet the needs of the Air Force. C $28.31 Now there was 1 experimental Spit that hit 600 mph in a dive, it was a writ off afterwards, wings bent fuselage wrecked. Leighton Buzzard - Bedfordshire . Offensive operations by RAF Fighter Command were called off in November, 1941 whilst the command made good its losses. Unsere Redaktion wünscht Ihnen zu Hause schon jetzt viel Erfolg mit Ihrem Messerschmitt Flugzeug! IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 Zwei Flugzeuge im Set; Maßstab 1:72; Auf Sockelfuß ; In Sammlerbox; Luftfahrtgeschichte: Messerschmitt Bf 109. Dogfight: The Supermarine Spitfire and the Messerschmitt Bf109. The problem was I wouldn't like to be in a dogfight near Berlin, because I could never get home to Britain in a Spitfire!" The Bf 109D carried four guns – two in the nose and two under the wings. Parts sealed with stickers and instructions. The 109 was also designed so that the engine could be quickly and easily removed, and the wings could be rapidly detached to allow for easy transport by rail. “I preferred the 109F because it flew well at any altitude, was fast as most . £55. ( Log Out /  In the meantime, several alternatives were trialled. It’s hard but I think the Spitfire MK IX was the ultimate dogfighter between the two, I have a real liking of the 109 but it did not age and improve in the same way the Spitfire did. is it the normal custom to attack newbies? Dogfight Spitfire vs Mustang with wingcam and crash. J: Did you fly in a Spitfire? This problem was resolved much later in the war. Also, when in a steep dive, the column would become very stiff; the pilot couldn’t reposition himself to exert the maximum amount of force on the column like could in a Spit. However, the Spitfire was superior at higher altitudes. The Bf 109E-3’s supercharger, for instance, gave it a 200 hp advantage over the Spitfire 1A at low altitude. . The aircraft’s small cowling was inadequate for heat dissipation, which made the DB 605 engine prone to overheating and catching fire. The aircraft’s engine and propeller controls were also more automated, which reduced pilot workload. The Spitfire first flew in March 1936. No 91 Sqn. The Supermarine Type-300 (an early prototype of what would become the Spitfire) was initially designed to be armed with only two machine guns. : Vom Prototyp bis zur Bf 109 K Revell REV-03958 10 … These two have been hanging in my garage for at least 30 years. This, too, proved to be problematic. 5:19. “At the end of the war, work on a modified version (referred to by one source as the MK 108A or MK 108 n A – presumably standing for neuer Art or new type) was achieving around 900 rpm on test, but was too late to see service.” (p. 167 f). wood prop weights 200 pounds plus less than metal ones do. Herein lays the true remarkability of the aircrafts, the fact that they could take on ever larger amounts of power, and still maintain their fighting capability. None the less still an amazing airplane. Freeborn was in no mood for pleasantries. Constable and Toliver, 1977. The Fashion Versus Aircraft Camo is also a real cracker. – Air Vice Marshal Trafford Leigh-Mallory, September 1941. This powered the prototype (as well as the early Spitfire Mk I in the Battle of Britain), and in refined form it powered the Mk VIII that roamed the skies of Burma in 1945. The Bf 109’s transition to production, on the other hand, was very smooth. Price: US $30.00. The Hush-Kit Book of Warplanes is a beautifully designed, highly visual, collection of the best articles from the fascinating world of military aviation –hand-picked from the highly acclaimed Hush-kit online magazine (and mixed with a heavy punch of new exclusive material). Hansel Harm. What a gift!! ( Log Out /  Italian pilot Fausto This is a matter of debate that arises any time aircraft aficionados gather, but it’s Saturday, and I’m slightly bored, so I feel for writing something lighter. International postage through eBay global shipping programme only. Spitfire and Messerschmitt Simulator Dogfight for Two in Bedfordshire. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. max. Spitfires tasked to carry out offensive fighter sweeps and raids over Northern France in 1941 faced the same issue. Its superlative Merlin 61 engine (powered by 100-octane fuel of US origin) gave it a 110 hp advantage over the DB 605-powered Bf 109G at sea level. It's Spitfire vs Messerschmitt on this dogfight simulator session! And it did this flown by a Jewish pilot, who had shot down two Bf 109’s while flying for the US Army Air Force during the Second World War. Item Information. Also flettners began to appear on K-4making rolls easier, wider wheel base make takeoff & landings easier, wood propeller makes takeoffs also easier. IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 Pingback: Corporal Frisk – Half a decade on – Corporal Frisk. “If you have any interest in aviation, you’ll be surprised, entertained and fascinated by Hush-Kit – the world’s best aviation blog”. I suspect a few might have wished it would be built is numbers. One factor that is seldom considered in these ‘which was best’ scenarios was ease and cost of manufacture and maintenance. Dogfight #599. The Bf 109’s canted undercarriage often caused aircraft on landing runs to suddenly spin around and suffer serious damage if one wheel lost traction. The reason Fighter Command didn’t suffer very heavy losses was that the Luftwaffe was by then fighting over Russia. The layout of the Jumo-engine also meant that the fearsome 30 mm cannon that had been firing through the propeller hub on the Bf 109 G/K had to be discarded. This system proved to be mechanically complex and unreliable. http://www.secondworldwarforum.com/my-o … e-beamont/. ( Log Out /  The German pilots who test flew it loved it I guess. Griffon engined Spitfire by comparison had directional instability issues, tail problems, & Griffon weighed 300 pounds more than Merlin, all of it at the nose, which would affect turning performance adversely. 45 mins. the Spitfire IXB was supreme, and undoubtedly the best mark of Spitfire produced, despite later and more powerful versions. Both had to meet an official specification from their respective Air Ministries. During the late-war years the Spitfire also held the edge, with the Mk IX being a finer plane than the Bf 109G/K, which were starting to show signs of the airframe not being able to absorb the vast increases in power while maintaining the fine handling in the same way the Spitfire could. Was either machine demonstrably better? Czechoslovakia was eager for any influx of dollars it could find, and was willing to part with a number of S-199’s. But the Spitfire—with its larger airframe, stronger structure, and superior engine—was better able to support the installation of advanced engines, armour, and heavier armament. Lovely clean and nice place when you arrive with toilet and drink facilities, we were greeted by the loveliest lady on reception (sorry I didn’t catch your name!) max. Now, these one fact/one comment snippets are unfortunately not that useful, and are swamping the page. The 109’s control column was tough to manipulate in high-G turns. The E-3 models, though, were equipped with a 20 mm cannon under each wing, installed in two streamlined blisters along with a 60-round ammunition drum. The DB 605 was the same engine block as the DB 601, it was just bored out, so the 109 did not have the same overweight issue the later Spit did. The aircrafts enjoyed a brief but eventful career in Israeli service, sporting an extremely high accident rate, but also scoring the first kills of the new air force when Mordechai “Modi” Alon, squadron commander of the sole Israeli fighter unit at that time, managed to shoot down two converted C-47 transport planes that were bombing Tel Aviv (Alon would later die in a non-combat accident with the S-199). From 14th June until 31st December, 1941 JG26 and JG2, shot down four hundred and eleven RAF aircraft, mainly Spitfires, over the Channel and the French coast. The oil pan was made from roughly 1 quarter inch steel, armored in other words, to protect against ground fire. http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/art … s/#109hard. http://www.supercub.org/forum/archive/i … 23107.html, G-14 had enlarged rudder pedals and unbalanced elevators for better dive pulkllout. That evening Winston Churchill arrived at 74 Squadron to congratulate the pilots for their achievements. – Squadron Leader Douglas Bader, circa 1941. On the minus side, the 109 was a real handful to land. The Spitfire’s machine guns tended to freeze solid from the cold at high altitudes (this issue also affected Hurricanes). the Hispano was almost twice as long as and double the weight of the German gun; unwelcome features for wing-mounted weapons. In the mood for something more offensive? So we shall mostly stick to the variants that were in service in this timeframe: the Spitfire 1A/B and Spitfire V; the Bf 109E and F. “…the Me 109F has a slightly superior performance to the Spitfire V”. Vander Arjun. Which variant of the plane each pilot was flying, was one the best Spit made and the other a bomber interceptor. This puts the question of greatness into perspective. This was true in relation to the Mark I Hurricanes which came up against the Me 109 in France in 1939 and in the early battles over England in 1940. The Supermarine Spitfire was a very serious rival to the German Messerschmitt Bf 109, abbreviated Me 109, and it developed during the Battle of Britain in 1940 into a very worthy opponent, although one with different flying qualities. The Spitfire, Hurricane, and Fw-190, with their “vertical” landing gear and heavier structures, fared much better. Although the plane was outdated as a fighter by this time, the Spanish Air Force decided that an improved version could be useful in counter-insurgency operations in their North African colonies. The Spitfire’s complex design, coupled with Supermarine’s utter lack of experience with modern production line techniques made Spitfire production problematic. Better sustained turn & dive pullout. It also makes power faster — it spins up right away. Looking for something more humorous? IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 ( Log Out /  Enthält 23.00% MwSt. XIV for the first time Johnnie Johnson said that it was a nice and fast aeroplane”). The Bf 109 was the first to be forced into an offensive role: first as a fighter that would provide top cover to an advancing German Army, and later as an escort for Luftwaffe bombers attacking Britain. That structure lacked the strength to endure hard landings. Here the 109 had a clear edge. However, the vibration from the cannon was so severe that it proved to be unworkable. Almost one in five 109s produced were written off in landing accidents, with an associated loss of pilots. And now for some out-of-schedule aviation geekiness: Yesterday I encoutnered an off-hand comment about whether the Spitfire or the Messerschmitt (understood to be the Bf 109) was the superior fighter. All in all, it would most probably have slipped off into the pages of aviation history largely unnoticed, if not for developments in the middle east. Alan Deere, Nine Lives, (Crecy Publishing, Manchester, 1999), p. 258. In fact, the Spitfire and the Bf 109 were amongst the first mature fighters to discard the biplane design in favor of the single low-mounted wing that has since dominated the world of fighter aircraft. This was easy enough to accommodate in the Hurricane’s thick wings. Its elliptical wing proved to be difficult to fabricate. http://www.thefullwiki.org/Supermarine_Spitfire_(late_Merlin_powered_variants). The Bf 109 wasn’t very different. In terms of ease of operation, there were advantages and shortcomings to both designs. I’m no aeronautical engineer – this was comprehensive (to my mind) and easy to understand. “managed to shoot down (to?). When tasked with as bomber escorts, the need to fly at sub-optimal altitudes and speeds often increased fuel consumption to the point where the 109s were forced to return to France before the bombers had reached their objectives. Last thought.s the Seafang & Seafire were replacements for Griffon Spit, if there were not a need, these likely would not have been pursued.. The Bf 109 also suffered from handling challenges, both in the air as well as on the ground. It's a unique activity for two. Wie häufig wird der Spitfire scheune voraussichtlich eingesetzt werden? It was a short burst, maybe 10 shells from each cannon, but I saw the bomber explode & begin to burn. http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~gmturner/aircraft/spitfire_xii/spitfire_xii.htm, http://thegreatcanadianmodelbuildersweb … 9-k-4.html. The resulting aircraft, dubbed the Avia S-199, was probably the worst version of the whole Bf 109-family to reach production. At low to medium altitudes, where much of the air combat in the early war occurred, the Bf 109 had the upper hand. Secondly, Willy Messerschmitt wanted his aircraft structures to be as light as possible. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. G-10 elevator travel different than G-6, this means more bang for the buck when one pulls on the stick. After the war, the Czechoslovak aircraft industry had to find a way to supply the country’s reborn air force with fighters. Later, a portion of the engine exhaust was ducted into the wing to heat the guns. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. 5:53. TAS 906km/h@5.8km There are a few more upgrades that went into K-4 that have no sources that I have even seen, rebalanced ailerons & all steel slats, but the K-4 was not just a G-6 with more is the point. These were excellent for speed and turning performance, but bad for firepower. This is a question that often comes up in discussions on airpower in World War II: how did the two iconic fighters of the War—The British Supermarine Spitfire and the German Messerschmitt Bf 109—compare? Eric Brown, a Royal Navy test pilot who evaluated a captured Bf-109G, commented that “in a dive at 400 mph, the controls felt as though they had seized!” The addition of a water-methanol tank—whose contents were injected into the engine to provide a short burst of additional power—adversely affected the centre-of-gravity and made handing unpredictable in some portions of the flight envelope. The new engine gave the aircraft a 30 km/h speed advantage over the Spitfire V. They also featured improved high-altitude performance; their critical altitude was 1,000 feet higher than that of the Bf 109Es. 21st Century Toys. 33° +/-3° up and 34° +/-3° down, and The aircraft that came to be the Supermarine Spitfire was the brainchild of R. J. Mitchell, a talented engineer that had designed some of the most iconic racing seaplanes of the interwar years. had a superior rate of climb and could dive very well. : Vom Prototyp bis zur Bf 109 K Revell REV-03958 10 … IXO/ALTAYA/ATLAS Dogfight Set Supermarine Spitfire Mk I vs. Messerschmitt Bf 109-E Die-Cast 1:72 Zwei Flugzeuge im Set; Maßstab 1:72; Auf Sockelfuß ; In Sammlerbox; Luftfahrtgeschichte: Messerschmitt Bf 109. Have a look at this F-35 satire and ‘Werner Herzog’s Guide to pusher bi-planes or the Ten most boring aircraft. But the Bf 109, owing to its higher climb rate, could sustain climbing turns that the Spitfire was unable to keep up with. I politely pointed out that spamming a two year old post with comments is not considered proper internet etiquette. by David Owen “Neither Messerschmitt nor Mitchell designed their fighters in a vacuum. And the fine tolerances demanded by the design team—not something that British industry was used to—led to quality issues. Study the plane and the pilot if possible, but shoot down the pilot was the goal. Steve. By mid-42 a further upgraded version of the DB 600-series had been launched in the form of the DB 605. ‘Werner Herzog’s Guide to pusher bi-planes, China’s other mystery stealth bomber: Our analysis, Dassault Rafale versus Eurofighter Typhoon, The Final Word: Part 2, Online Quiz tonight at Rafale versus Typhoon Part 2 premiere party, DECLASSIFIED: Spying at Mach 3+: our Interview with SR-71 Blackbird pilot reveals how US lured North Korea to shoot missiles, The best made military propaganda film: Wehrhafte Schweiz (1964) features incredible flying footage. Clostermann mentioned the MK 9 had not enough power, the problem was, they didn’t have a great solution to this problem, Tempest aside, it was a problem that didn’t get an adequate solution. http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm. Following this, you have posted ten additional comments on this thread. It's going to be full-on out there, so make sure you and your opponent are ready for a spirited session at the controls of these combat flight simulators. Two quotes illustrate this advantage rather well: “When it comes to fighter vs. fighter and the struggle for the altitude gauge, we must expect for the time being to be at a disadvantage as compared with the improved Me-109 [this is the Bf 109F, being compared to the Spitfire V] we are now meeting”. There were two major problems with the landing gear design that caused serious losses of Bf 109s on take-off and landing. . . Beobachten. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The larger, structurally stronger Spitfire IX suffered no such problems. The Spit 9 proved to have better manoeuverability and I was able to get into an ideal firing position. During the early war years, the question is harder to answer. How was (I to know this was 2 plus yrs old? For the most part, the Bf 109 and Spitfire were both well-matched, with own unique strengths and shortcomings. Not true, G-10 was easier to handle than G-6. All bullshit – who won the war? In parallel, a number of late-war Spitfire variants were also powered by the markedly bigger Rolls-Royce Griffon. Let’s take it from the beginning: Is your argument that the increased power was absorbed better by the Bf 109 than by the Spitfire, and that the fact that earlier mark Spitfires had better handling characteristics than late-mark ones made them superior fighters? Dieses Stockfoto: Spitfire Mk V und Messerschmitt Bf 109 G dogfight - R6Y4XY aus der Alamy-Bibliothek mit Millionen von Stockfotos, Illustrationen und Vektorgrafiken in hoher Auflösung herunterladen. Both are incredibly realistic. The Bf 109s angular canopy with its thick frame fell short. ( Log Out /  Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. But it truly came into its own at high altitude: At 30,000 feet, its two-stage supercharger gave it a whopping 300 hp advantage over its German counterpart. Follow-on designs would have to be armed with cannon. Free shipping . Even the Erla Haube canopy was more streamlined than previous birdcage designs. Both designs were initially designed to defend airbases against enemy bombing, and that was reflected in their range figures on internal fuel—680 km for the Spitfire I A/B and about 660 km for the Bf 109E. In that case, the basic premise is wrong. Also G-10 had electronic ignition like P-51 so one could re-start the motor in mid air.. I see, hate the person who presents a divergent view, How unfortunate. But this was easier said than done. Mar 14, 2014 - Images of planes from World War II. As the Bf 109G had been produced in the country during the German occupation, it was a natural choice. Johnny Johnson; After flying the Mk. 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